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  1. AceofAces

    AceofAces Impyrrial Admin at Law, Esq.
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    With Volume III we saw the dawn of magic in RWBY as personified by the the 4 Maidens of the 4 Seasons.

    Here's what we know for certain:

    THE 4 SEASONS FAIRY TALE
    - Long ago, four young women came across a reclusive old man living in a remote hut who initially wanted nothing to do with the girls. Undeterred, the girls remained and showed kindness to the old hermit.
    - The first woman respected the old man's isolation, and offered him to use that time for self-reflection and meditation (Winter)
    - The second woman revitalized the old man's crops with new life and brought him fresh fruits and flowers (Spring)
    - The third woman gave the old man warmth and compassion, eventually encouraging him to step out of his house and take in the beauty of the world around him (Summer)
    - The last woman helped teach the old man to be grateful for the things that he had (Fall)
    - As a token of his gratitude for the girls' kindness, he bestowed upon them the gift of magical powers so that they could use these powers to help other people. They graciously accepted and left to go make the world a better place wherever they went.

    THE REALITY
    - The 4 Maidens actually exist and possess magical abilities separate and distinct from what Semblances and Dust are capable of.
    - Ordinarily, a Maiden retains her powers until her death, and the person who the Maiden thinks about just before death will inherit the power provided that she is a young woman. If not, then the power is randomly bestowed upon another young woman. That way, there will always be a host for the Maidens' powers.
    - The Maidens have existed for hundreds (if not thousands) of years, and there have been prior instances where the Maidens were targeted so that bad people could try and take these magical powers for themselves. In an effort to keep the Maidens safe, people like Ozpin, Ironwood, Glynda and Qrow hid the existence of the Maidens, allowing the story to fade into legend and myth.

    AMBER, THE FALL MAIDEN
    - Amber is the current Fall Maiden, and she was attacked by Cinder and had part of her Maiden power stolen. The attack has left her in a coma and she's being kept on life support in the Vault beneath Beacon Academy.
    - Presently, there is concern that Cinder will inherit the rest of Amber's powers upon Amber's imminent death, either because Cinder will be the last person Amber thought about, or because the half Amber still retains will seek out the half that Cinder stole in order to become whole again.
    - The power was stolen through the use of an unknown white glove that produced a bug-like Grimm that sucked the power from Amber, but the process was cut short by Qrow severing the connection and the glove dissolving into Cinder's skin.
    - Pyrrha has been approached to succeed Amber as the Fall Maiden, but because she cannot inherit the powers naturally, it was proposed to have Amber's Aura be artificially transferred to Pyrrha under the belief that the powers are bound to Amber's Aura (and by extension her soul). No one has any clue about if this will work and how it will affect Pyrrha.
     
  2. Michael7123

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    So, who else thinks that cramming Amber's aura into Pyrrha isn't going to go quite exactly as planned?
     
  3. BlakJakXXI

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    I wouldn't be surprised if something goes wrong or this turns out bad in the end. The question is how it would. If Amber dies while Pyrrha has what's left of her maiden powers, could they just end up forced out of her and over to Cinder, since she'd probably be who Amber's last thoughts? If so, could that put Pyrrha in a coma like Amber? Of course, it could be because of the insect Grimm and the injuries themselves Amber got that put her in a coma, and not the forceful removal of her maiden powers. Who knows.
     
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    I could see a story arc of Pyrrha questioning her own identity wondering whether her thoughts and feelings are really her own or leftover pieces of Amber.
     
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    Sorry for the double post but a thought just occured to me. Could it be possible that using their abilities burns through their aura very quickly?

    It didn't take much to brake Amber's aura at all so it would make sense if over using her powers weakened her aura.

    The only hole here is that she still seemed able to use those powers to some degree after her aura was broken.
     
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    I think the inclusion of Maidens was interesting. Particularly the "magic" part of it.

    If I remember right Monty said he didn't want Magic in RWBY because Magic is often used as a go-to excuse for unexplainable feats in a lot of fiction. Making it too flexible when it came to explaining new elements.

    Interesting that when RWBY does introduce magic, it has a very particular set of rules and limitations right off the bat. Steering clear of the issues Monty stated he had with Magic as an inclusion.
     
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    I think part of the reason Monty denied the existence of magic in RWBY was so that we would learn about magic at the same time as Pyrrha does.
     
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    Actually, magic still doesn't exist in RWBY. This is one of those cases where what the author knows and what the character knows aren't the same. Monty could have easily known of the maiden powers and had his own name for them, with defined rules and limitations. He may have even defined how they work. To him they aren't magic. The characters in the story do not understand this power as well as the author does, so to them, it may seem magical. Until the writers say the maiden's power is magical, there still is not magic in RWBY.
     
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    That makes no sense at all. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and people call it a duck, it's a duck. If a Maiden is able to do things without Dust and without using their semblance that normal people can't, and the characters providing exposition on the matter call it magic, then it's magic!

    Monty is telling us through Ozpin that magic is in fact real. The only reason Monty initially said magic wasn't real was to avoid spoiling this moment so that we would learn about magic at the same time as the characters in the show do, like Pyrrha. Why would Monty go through the trouble of having this big reveal that magic is real only to then turn around and say, "Oh, that's not actually magic and I was right the first time when I said that there is no magic"? He would be lying about lying. That's just a gigantic middle finger to the audience.
     
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    I can't create a level headed response to this that isn't based entirely around ad hominum, but I will say that you've used an analysis type the we aren't allowed to use, which involves attempting to reconstruct authorial intent from the text itself.
     
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